"DLF Limited Q3 FY23 Earnings Conference Call"

January 27, 2023

MANAGEMENT: MR. ASHOK KUMAR TYAGI - CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER & WHOLE- TIME DIRECTOR- DLF LIMITED

MR. VIVEK ANAND - GROUP CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER - DLF LIMITED MR. SRIRAM KHATTAR - MANAGING DIRECTOR -RENTALBUSINESS

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Moderator:Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to DLF Limited Q3 FY23 Earnings Conference Call. We have with us on the call Mr. Ashok Kumar Tyagi, CEO DLF Limited; Mr. Vivek Anand, Group CFO; Mr. Sriram Khattar, MD Rental Business. As a reminder, all participant's lines will be in the listen only mode there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Please note that this conference is being recorded.

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Vivek Anand.

Vivek Anand:Thank you very much. Good afternoon to all of you and welcome to DLF Limited Quarter 3 Financial Year 23 Earnings Webcast. Let me start by wishing you all and your families a very happy new year and thank you for joining us today. We continue to witness strong business momentum across all business parameters. I'll start with financial highlights for quarter three financial year 23, DLF limited consolidated results. Consolidated revenue stood at rupees INR 1,560 crores. Gross margins improved at 59% supported by a higher contribution of Camellias,

The EBITDA stood at INR 542 crores with margins at 35%. Net profit at INR 515 crores reflecting year-on-year increase of 35%. This was primarily due to higher JV profit and a continued reduction in the finance cost. Our Residential business delivered a strong performance and clocked one of the highest quarterly new sales booking of INR 2,507 crores, reflecting year- on-year growth of 24%.

Cumulative new sales for 9 months financial year '23 stands at INR 6,599 crores, reflecting a year-on-year growth of 45%. We continue to see a well-diversified sales mix. Happy to share that 89% of our quarterly sales was contributed by new products. We expect this trend to continue as we scale up our new launches.

Our luxury offering - The Grove DLF 5, Gurugram stands completely sold out, reaffirming demand for quality offerings at established locations. Sales booking during the quarter for the product stood at INR 1,570 crores. The second phase of our recently launched product, The Valley Gardens in Panchkula echoed customers' confidence towards our product offerings in that geography, clocking in sales booking of INR 540 crores during the quarter. We remain enthusiastic about the housing industry intrinsic growth potential, which continues to be supported by a resilient economy. Our focus remains on creating customer-centric products that provide a distinctive living experience with best-in-class amenities across our established ecosystems.

I'll move to cash now. Operating cash flow for the quarter stood at INR 633 crores. In light of the Hyderabad asset development being pushed back, we have repaid the outstanding capex advance of INR 582 crores to DCCDL group out of the surplus cash flows during the quarter. The transaction was largely cash neutral at the group level. Consequently, our net debt decreased to INR 2,091 crores at the end of the quarter, a reduction of INR 51 crores from the previous quarter.

I'll now move to the financial highlights for quarter 3 financial year '23, DLF Cyber City Developers Limited consolidated results. The office portfolio continued its gradual part to

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recovery. Strong momentum across the retail business continues. Rental income grew to INR

1,003 crores, year-on-year growth of 15%. Consolidated revenue at INR 1,363 crores as

compared to INR 1,176 crores last year, reflecting a 16% year-on-year growth.

EBITDA stood at INR 1,061 crores. Year-on-year growth of 16%. Net profit at INR 358 crores,

reflecting a year-on-year growth of 27%. Occupiers attendance across the portfolio continues to

inch upwards with gradual recovery across the office segment. While global headwind continues

to persist leading to a challenging environment, we expect demand for quality office assets at

established locations should continue to garner interest of larger occupiers.

New developments across DLF Downtown, Gurugram and Chennai remains on track, planning

for our upcoming retail destination Mall of India at Gurugram is in advanced stages. The retail

business continues to exhibit healthy growth. Consumption trends continue to reflect sustained

momentum with sales delivering consistent growth leading to a healthy retail business outlook.

We remain well positioned to achieve our business objectives, which are strongly supported by

continued housing demand, quality offerings and a healthy balance sheet, right? Thank you for

listening to me and we can now open the floor for the Q&A session. Thank you.

Moderator:

We have our first question from the line of Saurabh Kumar from JPMorgan.

Saurabh Kumar:

I just had a few questions, sir. First is on this DCCDL settlement. So is there anything left? Or

are we now fully done on this? And as a consequence of this, should the interest cost on the P&L

now further come down? So that was -- I can follow them together and you could respond.

Vivek Anand:

We'll answer all of them together, yes.

Saurabh Kumar:

Okay. The second one was, sir, essentially on this mortgage rates. So we are now seeing a 9%

trend and probably will go to 9.25%. So have you seen any clear trends of reduction in footfalls

in terms of site visits? The third is essentially around this, the golf course extension project. I

am seeing value of INR 7,500 crores for this project. So I just want to know what is the average

price you are assuming for - through the cycle for this project?

And lastly, on DCCDL, does the rental now include Midtown -- the Downtown, sorry, at that

INR 1,060 crores EBITDA through Downtown. And also, if you can talk about the progression

at DLF Downtown?

Vivek Anand:

Saurabh, thanks for your questions. Let me take it one by one. So this DCCDL settlement of

INR 582 crores, which is a cash settlement during the quarter, this completes all settlements. So

there is no outstanding or capex advance in our books as on 31st December 2022. I think that

was the first question. That's right. I'll move on. On the mortgage rates, your question was that

are we...

Saurabh Kumar:

Interest costs will go down due to the settlement now because you were paying some interest on

this, too.

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Vivek Anand:

Yes, yes, yes, we were paying some interest on that. So that interest has been -- we made this

settlement in October. So post October, there is no interest on that. So you will see that reduction

thereafter. Yes? Okay? And on mortgage rates, yes, they are now close to 9% and in some cases,

upwards of 9%. So your question is, are we seeing an impact on the footfalls, right? So at this

point in time, if you really look at our sales numbers, I think the kind of response we've got in

our -- in the last quarter, especially the two launches we had, right? We are not seeing any

significant impact of that as of now.

The third one was the sectors, 63 group housing. So what we have indicated to you will be the

launch value of INR 8,000 crores during this quarter, right? So that's coming largely from two

projects. One is sector 93 and 63. And at this point in time, I think we are still in the process of

finalizing the launch, including the pricing. But the total square feet I can give you, right, which

is the launch, is around 4.4 million square feet for Sector 63. And last part was DCCDL rental

of INR 1,003 crores. Does it include Downtown 2 and 3 rental? The answer is yes.

Sriram Khattar:

So we received the occupation certificate for Downtown 2 and 3 end of June 22. And thereafter,

the tenants took possession and started the fit-outs. So the first rental started trickling in from

November. So what we had in the December quarter is a very small portion. This will be much

higher in the March '23 quarter and will then sort of stabilize in Q1 of next year to its

completeness. For your information, it's -- the buildings are -- building 2 and 3 are completely

leased and the rental will be for the entire 1.65 million, except to the extent of one or two floors,

which are on hard options with a multinational company.

Saurabh Kumar:

Okay. So we are -- I mean, you've already achieved INR 4,200 crores exit NOI this year?

Sriram Khattar:

Saurabh going to explain that, right, asking that we should be able to meet INR 4,200 crores this

quarter.

Saurabh Kumar:

But next year, we should then hit that 45, 46 mark pretty easily?

Ashok KumarTyagi:

Yes, I would tend to agree. Saurabh, sorry, only one more clarification on the DCCDL advance,

you are correct. The advances as of today are completely settled. However, as you are aware,

the basic -- the genesis of this advance was that DAL has an onward arrangement for over 15

years with DLF, where DLF constructs the SEZ buildings and transfers to DAL. However, to

ensure that DLF is not out of pocket, DAL traditionally advances that money to DLF. So right

now since Hyderabad was delayed, this outstanding advance has been refunded back completely.

As and when a new building comes back on the anvil, maybe a fresh advance would be taken

from DCCDL.

Saurabh Kumar:

And just one thing. 6 million square feet of DAL is still left to be delivered by DLF to DAL?

Ashok Kumar Tyagi:

Yes, I don't have the exact number, but yes, between Silokhera, between Hyderabad, yes, you're

right, approximately, yes.

Moderator:

We have our next question from the line of Kunal from CLSA.

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Kunal Lakhan: My first question was on the pre-leasing that we have done in Phase 2 Downtown, Gurgaon 0.7 million square feet. Can you give us some color on the nature of the tenant and the demand here?

Sriram Khattar: Yes. So this is what we call Block 4 in Downtown Gurgaon. This is a building of about a little in excess of 2 million square feet. 700,000 has been leased to -- I can give you a flavor to two large global capability centers in the banking, financial services, insurance. There are two the bigger ones, and then there are two, three smaller deals.

Kunal Lakhan: Sure. In the same breath, just wanted to check with you, Mr. Khattar, on how is the demand situation considering the global layoffs and the bad news that is happening globally. What's the indication that your existing occupiers as well as the new occupiers that you would be in touch with? What's the indication that you're getting there?

Sriram Khattar: So the -- I can give you the indications. The indications were getting to be quite strong in the month of October. But thereafter, with this US recession and continuous hardening of interest rates has dampened the sentiment marginally. And it has dampened the sentiment in terms of the decision makers wanting to defer their decision by a few weeks or months before the situation in the US becomes clearer.

However, India's cost competitiveness in terms of its highly qualified English-speaking engineers on one side and global quality real estate at very competitive price will always be a compelling reason for international companies to keep coming to India. And that trend continues.

We also see that the movement is to developers who are able to provide Grade A++ places not only Grade A spaces. And provide spaces which are scalable for the potential tenants in the future. In addition, the international tenants, when they first come, they don't start with the physical structure of the place or the financials -- the commercials, they start with the areas of safety, sustainability, wellness, infrastructure and what we have done to ensure that their employees are much more comfortable.

The fifth and the last trend, which I personally find quite heartening is this whole work from home is slowly coming to an end. Now whilst hybrid will happen, but this leverage, which the -

  • at least in the IT-ITeS sector the employees had on working from home, it's now being looked upon rather unfavourably by the large tenants who are asking their employees to come back, albeit in the hybrid mode. Now this augurs well for our offices business going forward.

Kunal Lakhan: How about the physical attendance in this quarter?

Sriram Khattar: The attendance varied between various IT parks, but just to give you a flavour, we are at about 60% attendance in Cyber City, Gurgaon -- 60% - 65%. And in Chennai, we are at about 90% and Hyderabad is around 30-odd percent.

Kunal Lakhan: Sure, sure. Okay. And my second question was on this quarter's sales about INR 2,200 crores, you had some new products. If you can break it down between projects, I understand INR 1,500

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