"DLF Limited: Q4 and FY23 Earnings Conference Call"

May 13, 2023

MANAGEMENT: MR. ASHOK KUMAR TYAGI - WHOLE TIME DIRECTOR AND CEO - DLF LIMITED

MR. VIVEK ANAND - GROUP CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER - DLF LIMITED

MR. SRIRAM KHATTAR - MANAGING DIRECTOR -RENTALBUSINESS

MR. AAKASH OHRI - CHIEF BUSINESS OFFICER AND GROUP ED

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Moderator:Good day, and welcome to DLF Limited Q4 and FY '23 Earnings Conference Call. We have with us today on the call Mr. Ashok Tyagi, Whole-Time Director and CEO, DLF Limited; Mr. Vivek Anand, Group CFO; Mr. Sriram Khattar, MD, Rental Business; Mr. Aakash Ohri, Chief Business Officer and Group Executive Director. As a reminder, all participant's lines will be in the listen only mode there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. If you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded.

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I now hand the conference over to Mr. Vivek Anand. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Vivek Anand:Yes. Thank you, Faizan. So good morning, and welcome to DLF Limited Quarter 4 and Financial Year '23 Earnings Webcast. Thank you for joining us on a Saturday. We are very happy to announce our business which delivered record performance across all key parameters. We'll start with the highlights of the business. Financial highlights for quarter 4 financial year '23, DLF Limited consolidated. Consolidated revenue stood at INR1,576 crores, gross margin at 57%. EBITDA stood at INR518 crores, net profit at INR581 crores, reflecting year-on-year growth of 40%.Financial highlights for financial year '23 DLF Limited consolidated. Consolidated revenue stood at INR6,012 crores, gross margin at 57%. EBITDA stood at INR2,043 crores, net profit at INR2,053 crores, reflecting year-on- year growth of 36%. The Board of Directors have recommended a dividend of INR4 per share subject to approval of the shareholders. During last quarter, our residential business delivered a record performance by clocking new sales booking of INR8,458 crores, reflecting a year-on-year growth of 210%.

Cumulative new launches for the fiscal were around 10 million square feet and new sales stood at INR15,058 crores, which is again a record number for annual sales booking. These figures obviously are on account of overwhelming response for, The Arbour project, which created a new benchmark in residential sales by setting a record of being entirely sold during the pre-formal launch phase, garnering new sales booking of INR8,000-plus crores. This strong response led to the preponement of a significant portion of Arbour sales that we had actually planned to release for the forthcoming quarters, approximately INR4,000 crores. The success of this product stands as a testament of the immense faith that our customers have reposed towards our brand and a strong endorsement towards an aspirational lifestyle. The strong business performance led to a healthy surplus cash generation, enabling significant strengthening of our balance sheet. Consequently, our net debt now stands reduced to INR721 crores, one of the lowest levels.

Further to this strong performance, our credit rating was upgraded to CRISIL AA / stable outlook and ICRA AA/stable outlook during the year. Our offerings across multiple geographies continue to be the preferred choice of customers, enabling healthy growth in our business. The residential upcycle, along with rising demand for luxury segment, enthuses us to remain committed towards scaling up our new offerings.

We continue to follow a calibrated approach to bring new products across multiple markets, while simultaneously ensuring timely execution of our launched products. In line with this strategy, we have outlined our planned launches for financial year '24 in the analyst presentation. We are planning to launch around 11 million square feet with the sales potential of almost INR19,700 crores this fiscal and in addition, have an launch inventory of around INR7,400 crores. This gives us a potential of almost INR27,000 crores worth of products. Given the fact that it takes a good amount of time to procure approvals and project readiness, we do expect that timing of these launches will follow a similar phasing as in financial year '23, which means you will see a significant portion of new launches towards the second half.

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I'll now move to the financial highlights for financial year '23 of DLF Cyber City Developers Limited consolidated

results. Rental income grew to INR3,967 crores, a year-on-year growth of 19%. Consolidated revenue of INR5,419

crores, reflecting a 19% year-on-year growth. EBITDA at INR4,148 crores, year-on-year growth of 19%. Net profit

of INR1,429 crores reflecting year-on-year growth of 43%.

The recovery across the office segment remains gradual on account of continued global macro headwinds, while

such headwinds continue to impact decision-making in the short term, we believe that India would continue to be

the preferred destination for global captive and large occupiers. The occupancy of our existing portfolio remains

steady. However, we are witnessing healthy demand interactions for our newer developments, indicating a clear shift

by large occupiers towards quality workplaces, offering enhanced safety, engaging experience and an integrated

sustainable ecosystem. With this backdrop, we continue to invest on our new developments across DLF Downtown

Gurugram and Chennai and are implementing asset enhancement strategies across our existing portfolio as well.

Our retail business continues to operate at high occupancy levels and deliver healthy growth. Footfall levels are now

reaching the pre-pandemic level with consumption trends showing buoyancy. We expect sustained momentum for

quality retail destinations and hence continue our expansion plans in this segment across multiple markets. We

continue to work extensively towards our upcoming retail destination, Mall of India Gurgaon, for which planning is

at advanced stages.

We continue to remain a positive outlook for both our businesses and remain committed to delivering consistent and

profitable growth by bringing quality new offerings across multiple markets. We believe that our business, backed

by a strong balance sheet and healthy cash flows remains well poised to deliver across all parameters.

Right! With this, I end here and we are now open for questions and answers. Thank you.

Moderator:

The first question is from the line of Saurabh Kumar from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Saurabh Kumar:

Hi. Thanks for this and after this quarter, I don't think there are many questions, but let me still try. So, two on the

office side, two on the resi side. From the residential part one is, how would you think about your sales guidance for

next year after this INR15,000 crores sales this year? And should we assume this similar 60%, 65% sales through

velocity that you have achieved this year?

Secondly, specifically in terms of Arbour, why would you not hold on to inventory, if the product is so good? Was

there some issues on the taxes being better into this financial year, which led you to this decision? And on the office

side, basically, what were the mix of the SEZ, non-SEZ in the portfolio? Are you seeing some pressure on the SEZ

side there? And on the retail side, you've said that the malls will double in the next 4, 5 years, what are these? So, a

bunch of questions, but thank you.

Ashok Kr. Tyagi:

So Saurabh good morning. On the guidance piece for next year, that's a tricky one, frankly, because I know you are

possibly leading us down a slippery path. So, the way we look at it, frankly, we try to be very balanced about it. I

think in some sense that I'll get Aakash to chip in. I think the Q1 and Q2 are really linked to each other. In all fairness,

our estimation and our plan on Arbour was very transparently that it's an INR8,000 crores launch. We'll possibly do

between INR3,000 crores to INR3,500 crores in Q4 and the balance across end Q2 of the next fiscal.

I think as, and I request Aakash to chip in, I think even Aakash, with all his decades of experience was overwhelmed

by the sheer quantum of response that the product generated. I think almost INR3,500 crores - 3,500 checks for

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1,100 apartments, etcetera. So really we up the ante Saurabh, as you know, that normally customers -- I mean,

normally the developers declare pre-sales on the application, we said we will declare pre-sales only if we are able to

collect the first 30 day installment of 10% that means people have actually paid up 75 lakh each and they all have

signed the agreement to sale, which is under RERA. Even that threshold was met 100%.

So really, you know, frankly, we had no option but, I mean, I don't think we had any rational or frankly almost any

logistical opportunity for us to actually defer Arbour sales across two or three quarters. I mean, it all came in one

quarter. I think it's obviously a delight. It's also in all fairness left a lot of, you know, our own friends and

acquaintances unhappy who could not get the allotment and that's fine.

But really, I would say that a normalized sale for this year should really have been the range of INR10,000 to

INR11,000, but it just happened to be INR15,000 because the INR4,000 crores installment happened. So, we'll still

keep our head guided and we'll say that next year we should still be looking at a case guidance of INR11,000 crores

to INR12,000 crores. But again, given the fact that we have two or three very interesting products lined up next year,

you know, could there be a positive surprise? Of course. But I say from a guidance standpoint, we'll still say

INR11,000 crores to INR12,000 is the guidance.

Vivek Anand:

Yes. Absolutely. I think just to add Saurabh, I think this year we've launched 10 million square feet of products,

adding up to almost the sales potential of INR15,000 crores. I think we got a very good response from the market.

And considering that we've increased our launch pipeline to 11 million square feet for the current financial year,

adding up to a sales potential of close to INR20,000 crores, right. So, I think our ambition is very clear really to

really grow from here, right? There is no doubt about that.

But having said that as Mr. Tyagi explained, from a guidance point of view, it will be INR11,000 cores to INR12,000,

crores which we believe is achievable and we will certainly try our best to really beat that estimate.

Ashok Kr. Tyagi:

Aakash, on Arbour?

Aakash Ohri:

Yes. Saurabh on Arbour, let me just also come in. Now you asked a question about was this done for any tax benefits

and all? Let me tell you, I was in the thick of things then. Short of being lynched and kind of taking a call on certain

things on the ground. There was literally -- there was nothing one could do. It was such a pleasure, ladies and

gentlemen, after a long time to see the tsunami of owners and prospects and CPs and partners, strong and swarm in

the place. I have some videos which I'd like to share separately whenever there is a chance.

But let me tell you, when we started to build up, the buildup started well. It was a pent-up demand for a DLF group-

housing product in Gurgaon. A lot of work, you know, seeding had been done. As you know, compliance related

post data only we can get down to doing stuff. So we immediately dispatched teams all over the world. We did a lot

of work internally. A lot of good responses from the corporates.

But at that point of time, we had a choice, you're right, absolutely. And to what Mr. Tyagi mentioned and deliberated,

I think not once, but 10 times on this issue where things kept happening. We had a choice Saurabh to push it to Q1

and make more money. Definitely. And let me tell you how much more money about at least a INR1,000 crores

more could have been done. I mean, as far as this company is concerned, I think the customer's interest and prospects

interest has always come first and that is what we're known for. I think we've demonstrated it many times. Arbour

being one also, I'll tell you where the situation kind of came in like that. And we had a lot of responses that came in

from people.

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At that point of time to stall something which is going on at a space was I don't think would have been prudent because you can't have a customer wait for two months because this was mid-February-- 15th February to be precise when we did the broker's launch and immediately after that. So, we couldn't have asked a customer to wait for six weeks or eight weeks for the next batch to come when as everybody else queuing up and giving their intent -- their application forms. So we could have dragged this on, but I think it's in can be interest of the customer's benefit first. A call was taken to do that. So I don't think there was any. I mean, there are, Mr. Tyagi and Vivek and I've already talked about it, but I don't think there is any tax-related matter. But I think it's very grateful for an opportunity like this. You should have been there to kind of live that moment with us. But I think there are no doubts the whole world and the others were here. It was a big endorsement to the dealer brand. I think that's all I'd like to say. But the celebrations here have been very muted, as per Mr. Tyagi's strict instruction. So I don't know whether to celebrate or to take your compliment.

Ashok Kr. Tyagi: So gratitude is the opportunity.

Sriram Khattar: So moving on to the rental portfolio. Saurabh, your question was SEZ versus non SEZ. I think a breakup is about in terms of rentals about 30 odd percent is SEZ and about 67% to 70% is non SEZ. And this is the office's part. The retail itself is about 22%. So in the overall rental income, the SEZ in terms of rental income falls to below 20%, 22% 20 odd percent. Now SEZ is a little concern in the market because of the sunset clause. In our portfolio, our SEZ has maintained a vacancy of about 15 odd percent. Whereas our vacancy in the non SEZ portfolio has dropped down to only 6%. And which is I think a very healthy sign and the combined vacancy is about 10%. Now while this is happening, we have been advocating and socializing through the CII and the Naredco and the Asia Pac Real Estate Association with the Ministry of Finance, Department of Revenue and with the Commerce Ministry.

And I am given to understand that they are in the final state of amending the SEZ act rules, which is within the power of the commerce minister which will extend the building-wise, denotification to a floor wise denotification. I also understand that the Ministry of Commerce is going to lean on the development commissioners to ease the speed at which the denotification is allowed. So there is little pain, I would say, for the next few months, but I don't see it lasting for long.

Now this will have 2 impacts, 1 very positive impact and 1 a slight negative impact. The positive impact is that it will bring very high-quality real estate to the market with the ability to lease. And developers who have these developments in good locations and have credibility will do well. marginally, especially in, say, Hyderabad, there will be a slight subdued rentals for about 2, 3 quarters before some of the stock gets absorbed. So whilst there is a temporary blip, but I believe it's very, very temporary and see Ministry of Commerce comes out with the new guidelines, I think we will do well.

In terms of our budgeting, etcetera, we have been cautious for the next year. And we are going with the assumption that SEZ vacancy will remain by and large, similar. It will improve by 100, 200 basis points.

On the mall space, yes, doubling is very much on the cards. If you have seen the analyst presentations, 2 million worth of retail is under, about 1.5 in retail is under construction in the books of DLF. We've got the Avenue Mall Goa, which is construction is going on full swing. And the 2 high street shopping centers, 1 in DLF 5 and the other near DLF-Midtown, the construction is full swing. And our plan for Mall of India Gurgaon has now reached at quite an advanced stage. And I dare say that when we meet next time, we'll probably share the news with you that construction is either commenced or is about to commence.

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