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December 30, 2022
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Sub: Transcript of the conference call |
Pursuant to Regulation 30 read with Para A of Part A of Schedule III of the SEBI (Listing Obligations and Disclosure Requirements) Regulations, 2015, please find enclosed the transcript of the conference call for the investors held on December 26, 2022.
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Date: 2022.12.30 16:56:49 +05'30'
K. Hanumantha Rao
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Suven Pharmaceuticals Limited | |
Conference Call | |
December 26, 2022 | |
Moderator: | Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the conference call of Suven |
Pharmaceuticals Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in listen | |
only mode. And there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the | |
presentation concludes. Please note that this conference is being recorded. | |
I now hand the conference over to Mr. Gavin Desa from CDR India. Thank you, | |
and over to you, sir. | |
Gavin Desa: | Thank you. Good day, everyone. And thank you for joining us on this call to |
discuss today's announcement of Advent International proposing to acquire a | |
significant stake in Suven Pharmaceuticals from the Jasti family. We have with | |
us Mr. Venkat Jasti - the Managing Director; and Mr. Venkatraman Sunder - | |
Vice President, Corporate Affairs. | |
Before we begin, I would like to mention that some statements made in today's | |
discussions may be forward-looking in nature and may involve risks and | |
uncertainties. | |
I would now like to request Mr. Jasti to share his perspectives on the | |
transaction and his view. Over to you, sir. | |
Venkat Jasti: | Thank you, Gavin. Thanks, everyone, tuning in for the call this afternoon. And |
as you are aware we have announced a structured deal with Advent | |
International, which is known to everybody. I think rather than me telling what | |
it is all about, I would rather answer your questions. But we'll have much more | |
clarity than saying whatever it is existing on the website and the stock | |
exchanges. I can now take the call, and I can explain the rationale of the deal. | |
Moderator: | Should we start the question-and-answer session, sir? |
Venkat Jasti: | Yes, please. |
Moderator: | We have our first question from the line of Ankush Agrawal from Surge Capital. |
Ankush Agrawal: | Congratulations on the deal, sir. Firstly, if you can clarify a little bit on your role |
in the business going forward, like based on what you have provided to the | |
news outlet during the interviews today. What I understand is that you would | |
be continuing in your current management role for the foreseeable future till | |
the time Advent gets Cohance to merge with it where and when the entity as a | |
whole will become a bit larger entity. And then you will be phasing out and then | |
acting broadly as an advisor to the company. So, if you can clarify on that, sir. | |
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Venkat Jasti: | Yes, you're absolutely right. That's the way it is. As you know, consummating |
this deal itself will take 5 to 6 months. After that, I will continue to run the | |
business. Only when the merger has happened, I will be looking after as a | |
strategic and advisory role. But the aim of Advent and ourselves is to value | |
creation, using the added platforms that are existing. So, we have a certain | |
speed, certain growth and certain capacity. But things are looking good. And | |
with deep pockets of Advent and their global outreach and not only in the | |
platform here and abroad and they have a reach into the global customers. We | |
can get more business opportunities. And whatever the opportunity that comes | |
in, it is a value-added proposition for which I will be the focus, and I will be the | |
advisor on that aspect and that's the way it will work. And I'm keeping my rest | |
of the stake in there as is because I believe that it will have a value accretion | |
in the very near future. That's the rationale. | |
Ankush Agrawal: | Sir, secondly, could you be able to elaborate on the Cohance's business model |
currently because Suven's business model is relatively different from what a | |
lot of other players in India does. So, if you can help on that front. And secondly, | |
like on the Suven side itself, like historically, we've been planning to get more | |
on the life cycle management front and transition from the intermediate to the | |
retail. So, would this merger help accelerate that in your sense? | |
Venkat Jasti: | I mean when the focus is towards value creation, the merger will allow us to |
use the facilities that are existing and also the customers that are existing. | |
Some of the things which you are not able to do at this time can utilize using | |
the platform at the side. And those platforms, which they are unable to use | |
some of the value-added services that will be done at the Suven Pharma. And | |
eventually, the value-added production and the global reach of the customers | |
through the management personnel of Advent, which are in the Life Sciences | |
field will be able to help us. The Cohance platform has some API and CDMO, | |
but the value creation will be the future focus. | |
Ankush Agrawal: | Sir, lastly, just a smaller one. Does this valuation change our existing capex |
plan that we are undertaking? | |
Venkat Jasti: | No, not much. Business is as usual. There will not be any change, change in |
even the people, not even a single person will not be left out from the existing | |
operation. | |
Ankush Agrawal: | And H1 initiative also stays intact, right? |
Venkat Jasti: | Yes. |
Moderator: | We have our next question from the line of Sudarshan Padmanabhan from JM |
Financial Services PMS. | |
S. Padmanabhan: | Sir, my question is today when I'm looking at us, largely, the business comes |
from the API part whereas I would understand that a fair amount of sales also | |
goes towards generics, and we are largely focusing on CDMO part with a | |
significant portion with innovator. Just if you can give a little bit more color apart | |
from synergies, I mean what can add as far as the scale is concerned? And | |
second is on the margin side, I mean I would understand that Cohance margin | |
should be significantly lower than our margin. So, from that side, do you believe | |
that on a pro forma basis, is there any kind of synergy that can come through | |
and expand the margins? | |
Venkat Jasti: | As we were telling you, the platform will be utilized for the value-added |
products, which Suven is good at. That's the whole team which we want to | |
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bring. We would like to utilize the capacities and the capabilities. Also, if you remember, in Suven, we're also trying to go and do the life cycle management for the innovators who we are working with. For that, I may have to put infrastructure. Right now, that will not be necessary because the platform will have that kind of infrastructure. So, this will be a value-add. Focus will be value- adding rather than just going in one direction. And that's what the future focus is going to be, and the capacities and all those things will be utilized to bring the value addition to the total platform. I have no idea how much the revenues and how much those things which we are not privy to this. And that will be only post the merger, it will not be to anybody, and at that time we can talk. Right now, the scheme which we are thinking is to go for a value added using the existing client base and also the clients, which Advent can bring in through their global sources and global management so that suddenly if needed capacities can be utilized with platform capacity. So, this is a value-add, and is going to be a synergistic effect both in terms of the revenue and on top of the EPS.
S. Padmanabhan: And then buying the 50.1% stake of your equity, I mean, I would believe that a part of this would basically go into funding the Suven Life Sciences candidate. So, from that perspective, would it be fair to assume that we would have enough funding for the next 3 to 4 years.
Venkat Jasti:Suven Life Sciences you're talking?
S. Padmanabhan: Yes, because I would assume that part of the money that comes from the sale of this could primarily grow.
Venkat Jasti:I think you have a wrong notion here because we never think of this to fund the Suven Life Sciences, we have to sell the stake. That's not what it is. As you know, even before we have started this, we started way back 6 months ago to raise the funds through the rights issue, and we have the money for the next few years. And moreover, there are some milestones coming into the Life Sciences. If we are lucky and successful, that will take you over the next 10 years. But funding for Suven Life Sciences is as always we have been doing, we will be doing it, not necessarily by selling 1 stake and we have to put it. That's not the intent.
Moderator:We have our next question from the line of Darshit Shah from Nirvana Capital.
Darshit Shah: Congratulations on the deal. Sir, so from what we understand is that this is a platform that Advent has created to kind of become a market leader in India in terms of API and CDMO. And funds from all the 3 companies, which currently they have under this basket, I think 30%, 40% is CDMO and this is API specialty plan. And post the merger I think the CDMO business will be more than 50%, 60% of the overall revenue side. Sir, in terms of synergies, I mean, since you have been in talk with them for quite a long time, if you can throw a little bit more granular detail on what's the road map for them, how are they planning to take this overall Cohance thing over the next 3 to 5 years? This is really an issue for the minority shareholders like us to know stay put with the new promoters.
Venkat Jasti:Anybody who'd like to have a value-added proposition which we're bringing to the table, and they have huge capacities and capabilities. And with our value- added roadmap, then we can integrate that towards that. And also, as we were telling you earlier also when the outsourcing is happening much more, including the life cycle management of the innovators, and this will be a value- added proposition again. At the same time, Suven don't need to spend money
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to create infrastructure. The existing infrastructure will be focused towards the value-added products so that in general, value accretion and the synergistic business concept will be given and more offerings to our customers. That means they will be getting from nuts and bolts all the way to the formulation. This is the way we are thinking.
Darshit Shah: Got it, sir. So, in order to summarize basically is that the process which we were envisaging of life cycle management, where you are trying to move higher up the value chain. So, now that the process anyway is on track and further opportunity if that comes, we'll be able to use this platform and experience a growth which might happen soon. Otherwise, we do have taken a little longer to put the facilities.
Venkat Jasti:Yes, because some of these platform companies are already doing some of these activities with some of the innovators. So, we can combine all these things, and we can give you more offerings to them so that they don't have to go to different people. And that way, this will become one of the top 3 CDMO players which caters from the, what you call, innovation supply chain to the life cycle management of the innovator. So, that is the thought process.
Darshit Shah: And sir, lastly, on the roadmap, the press release of Advent talks of making Suven a $1 billion company over the next few years, so I mean that what the roadmap basically talked, so that's a phenomenal kind of opportunity that Advent is looking from Suven. Would that be the right understanding?
Venkat Jasti:I mean, I think you need to ask that to Advent. But right now, our focus is using this platform, giving more offerings. My job is to get the more value-added products into the pipeline, which naturally will give us a bottom line and better broadline growth and all the stuff. With their capabilities in the global, I mean, outreach, I think they may have a road map to bring this revenue to $1 billion sooner than later. That is their outreach when they start coming into the picture. Right now, our job is to utilize whatever we have in this partnership, make it a value proposition to the customers. And in turn, I mean value proposition to our shareholders.
Moderator:We have our next question from the line of Mayur Parkeria from Wealth Managers India Private Limited.
Mayur Parkeria: Sir, congratulation on the deal. Sir, I have 2 questions, one is Suven has always been a very respected, high corporate governance, very well in terms of the domain and expertise and your own image, this has been very respected in the industry and across the investors along. So, sir, from that perspective, just I wanted your comments on the stake which you plan to retain is it from a longer- term perspective, because from an investor perspective that may create a kind of an overhang because you have already sold 50%. So, will you like to just comment something on from the perspective of timeline, which you look at for the stake which you will be holding?
Venkat Jasti:As of now, there is no thought process of relinquishing that and I feel that the value creation will happen because if we keep just to the value creation side by using all the infrastructure that is there, by using all the clients that is there, by giving additional opportunity to the offerings to the customer, I feel that value will be much higher. So, we don't have any thoughts of relinquishing that at this time, and we'll keep following up as long as we create our value creation, not only to shareholders but to ourselves. That is the way we are thinking.
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